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Post by Buckeye GOP on Mar 4, 2008 15:57:18 GMT -5
I think that BillAry will have a big night tonight (warning this may be another bungled prediction). By the way, here is a good link that talks about several recent foibles committed by Obama and his team that the media is starting to notice. It will be interesting to see if BillAry does well tonight if the media starts to help the Clintons a little more. wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/03/media-love-affair-with-barack-obama-is.html |
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Post by bob on Mar 4, 2008 16:44:14 GMT -5
I am hoping you are correct. I will vote for Hillary today in an attempt to increase the odds that we face her instead of the Messiah. Umm, I meant to say Obama, Stevie Wonder confused me with his Obama hymns.
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Post by Sabio on Mar 5, 2008 11:41:38 GMT -5
I was really hoping Hillary would have lost, even if only by a small margin. I'd prefer B. H. Obama (remember, we can't say 'Hussein', since it unfairly typecasts him) to Hillary in a heartbeat. Don't like the dynasties...emphasis on "nasties" with the Clintons. Now we get to hear the Dems get all the attention, with a whimper from Mac from time to time answering their charges against each other when they incidentally involve a charge against him (or, like his response to Hillary's "phone call" commercial...that Mac would be the best one to answer the phone...I got the impression from the media's coverage of his response as if they were saying, "oh yeah, are you still around?"). I've heard the arguments that this time is actually good for Mac to consolidate the GOP base, but since the Dems are getting all the national attention, it almost seems like, despite his rallying cries, the media just doesn't care about the GOP, and therefore the public at large shouldn't care. The message that is getting across is, "The Dem race is SOOO much more interesting than anything the GOPs offer". Although Hillary is giving Mac plenty of fodder for future attacks by Mac (or against Obama), I fear that all the attention will make the GOP seem like the red-headed stepchild (no offense to all those red-headed stepchildren out there).
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Post by sbm on Mar 5, 2008 13:44:26 GMT -5
McCain's big victory last night wasn't clinching the nomination or Huckleberry sailing down river, it was that Clinton was rewarded for increasing her negative attacks on Obama. Any fighting between the two of them will help McCain, but this is particularly powerful because Obama's base is full of young, new-comer, idealists. They probably aren't entrenched enough in the party or jaded enough by the system to overcome their heartbreak if Obama loses to Hillary at the convention. So if Clinton takes the nomination, you can bet plenty of disillusioned Obama-ites will sit out the general election. Without that support, Clinton can't beat McCain.
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Post by Buckeye GOP on Mar 6, 2008 7:15:53 GMT -5
There have been some interesting takes on this subject by both sbm and sabio. Both noted that there is going to be much more scrutiny of the Democratic race in the days to come. Sabio rightly pointed out that in some ways the fact that Mac locked things up early hurts his ability to get his story out to the media. Of course, the media is more interested in the Dems anyway, but I think in this instance they can't be blamed for giving additional scrutiny to their fight. Sbm raised an interesting point as well about whether Obama supporters will stick with him through thick and thin. It will be interesting as Obama's shortcomings and policy positions come to light to see if people are still as enchanted by him or if it dampens the fire a bit. Sbm points out that if the Clinton machine can carry her to victory, and by implication particularly if the victory comes in a questionable manner, that Obama's supporters might not be so inclined to vote for Hillary. What happens if she gives the VP nod to Obama? Will the media-anointed "dream ticket" be unstoppable then?
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Post by Sabio on Mar 6, 2008 9:32:25 GMT -5
If Obama and Hillary team up, then Mac has no chance. I've heard way too many conservatives moving toward Obama anyway. If the ticket is Obama-Clinton, then it could be a sweep like unto Reagan v. Mondale. If Clinton-Obama, then probably a tighter race, depending on Mac's choice in VP (if he goes controversial (i.e. a Bushie like Condi), then he will marginalize himself...as much as I like Condi (and that's a lot), I think she would hurt Mac's ticket). Clinton is still such a divisive figure, that maybe Obama as VP still might not be able to heal those wounds. They definitely wouldn't get the conservatives that are going for Obama right now.
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